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Kary English
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This 450 idea has me quite intrigued. I don't know what the rules here will support, but for the sake of learning, I'd be quite interested to see the first 450 words or so, either privately or posted here for all, from the following types of stories.

1) Semi-finalists (since they can't resubmit), along with any comments from K.D. or the author about why they think it did well and/or what might be improved.

2) Stories accepted for sale elsewhere (assuming copyright permits), including any thoughts, editorial feedback, etc.

3) Finalists and/or winning stories would be welcome, too, so long as that wouldn't break any rules of which I'm not aware.

4) As for rejections, and why you think they were rejected, those would be helpful, too, as long as you don't intend to rework and resub. Wouldn't want to DQ anybody.

Is anybody game? To get the ball rolling, I'll post 450 on one of mine that's out for consideration.

Cheers,

Kary

P.S. Remember - assuming this idea passes muster and doesn't get yanked by a mod - do NOT post content from any story you plan to submit to the contest!

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Posted : December 1, 2011 10:36 am
Kary English
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Here's my 450 from a story called "For Tomorrow We Diet." My comments are at the end.

ETA: Good idea Strycher! This is a story I am NOT submitting to the contest because I deem the fit to be too poor. Not looking for crits or attaboys, just... "Here's something where I think the fit is so bad, I'm not even entering it." I can't speak for anyone but me, but I learn as much from negative examples (i.e. "here's what *doesn't* work") as I do from positive ones.
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For Tomorrow We Diet
by Kary James

The woman's fingers are inching toward the box, but the orderly isn't watching. He's flexing his muscles in the mirrors that line the physical therapy room. The woman’s wheelchair is near the counter, near enough to reach the box if she had the strength to lift her emaciated arm. Her eyes are fixated on her goal. Shallow, excited breaths rasp across her slack lips.

Her fingers are just touching the cardboard when the orderly whisks the chair to the center of the room. He tries not to show his revulsion at the swallowed, half-moaning sound she makes when the chair moves.

The orderly takes a swig from his water bottle, chokes, and wipes his mouth. "You should try some of this stuff, Miss Merry. Tastes nasty, but it works."

He gives the brownish liquid a swish. The woman's eyes watch intently, or maybe blankly – it’s hard to tell.

"Doc'll be here soon for your session,” he tells her as he lifts her to the padded table. She weighs less than 70 pounds. Her skin is paper thin, her bones brittle. She's put on two pounds in the last month, remarkable progress, really, given where she started.

On the table, Merry cranes her head around, or tries to. She manages less than an inch, but it’s enough for her to keep the small, white box in her peripheral vision.

"Weight-Gainer Tea, by Karmique," the box says. The letters are dark blue, the font is round and cheery-looking, and the arms on the W have big, bulging biceps. The orderly takes another swallow from his bottle.

Merry does not like being on the table because it makes her remember.

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It was about seven months ago, and she’d been sitting on the toilet. She reached down to grasp the thick flesh below her navel, giving it a disgusted shake.

"Just this roll. I'd give anything to lose just this roll." She fantasized about slim, tanned hips and a flat stomach. She imagined crisp, tight jeans making a taut line from hipbone to hipbone with no bulge in the middle, jeans with stovepipe legs, seams straighter than a plumb-bob and just the tiniest flare for a chic pair of boots.

Merry sighed, zipping up her plus-size stretch jeans. Freaking Atkins. That's what I hate about dieting. The peeing is almost worse than being hungry.

She'd had these thoughts for years. It wasn’t easy working in fashion, where rail-thin models paraded around like mop handles with eye shadow. She spent her days Photoshopping images of women in near-impossible poses that were carefully contrived to look natural. She removed blemishes, erased wrinkles and clicked away entire sections of hip, thigh and belly.
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Author notes:

1) Readers either adore or loathe the present tense opening. Most have voted for 'adore', and even one of the loathers says that while she hates present tense on principle, she had to admit that I hooked her with it.

2) Spec element hasn't shown up yet, though it's been hinted at.

3) I'm not even sure what genre this is. I think it's somewhere on the dark fantasy - slipstream continuum.

4) My intent here is not to garner compliments, nor to solicit critique, but hopefully to help myself and others learn through exposure to diverse examples. For instance, from what I can tell, this story is utterly inappropriate for the contest.

WOTF: 1 HM, 1 Semi, 2 Finalists, 1 Winner
Q2,V31 - Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!
Hugo and Astounding finalist, made the preliminary Stoker ballot (juried)
Published by Galaxy's Edge, DSF, StarShipSofa and TorNightfire

 
Posted : December 1, 2011 10:47 am
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4) My intent here is not to garner compliments, nor to solicit critique, but hopefully to help myself and others learn through exposure to diverse examples. For instance, from what I can tell, this story is utterly inappropriate for the contest.

Might be helpful if you include if this story is a reject, HM, semi, finalist, or published elsewhere. (Did I miss that info somewhere?) ETA: Ah, I see that you have this submitted somewhere that's not this contest.

Also, if KD reads the opening and ending paragraphs, I wonder if posting both would be helpful?

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Posted : December 1, 2011 1:06 pm
Kary English
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4) My intent here is not to garner compliments, nor to solicit critique, but hopefully to help myself and others learn through exposure to diverse examples. For instance, from what I can tell, this story is utterly inappropriate for the contest.

Might be helpful if you include if this story is a reject, HM, semi, finalist, or published elsewhere. (Did I miss that info somewhere?) ETA: Ah, I see that you have this submitted somewhere that's not this contest.

Also, if KD reads the opening and ending paragraphs, I wonder if posting both would be helpful?

Good suggestion anyway, and I ETA'd the info into the top of the post. Smile

WOTF: 1 HM, 1 Semi, 2 Finalists, 1 Winner
Q2,V31 - Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!
Hugo and Astounding finalist, made the preliminary Stoker ballot (juried)
Published by Galaxy's Edge, DSF, StarShipSofa and TorNightfire

 
Posted : December 1, 2011 1:12 pm
Corbin.Maxwell
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Posting deleted.

I ain't cut out to be no Jesse James.

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 6:35 am
Preston Dennett
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Corbin,
Congratulations on making semi-finalist, and a BIG thank you for the sneek-peak at the beginning of your story. I have always been curious about what separates a reject from an HM, from a semi-finalist... From what I read, I can see why your entry did so well. It is definitely unique and very imaginative. KD has said that she rewards originality, so I'm guessing that this was a factor in why your story rose as high as it did. The best compliment I can give you is that...I want to read more! Here's hoping you find a nice home for your story! wotf009
thanks again, and best of luck on your next entry.
best,
Preston Dennett
(HM x 2)

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Posted : December 3, 2011 7:00 am
Corbin.Maxwell
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I guess you'd have ask KD why it went so far. I did a reread of it and it seemed that all I could see were the mistakes I made, a few misspellings or a missed period or a paragraph I would write differently. I will be honest and say that a semi-finalist is exactly what I wanted for this story. I felt that is what it deserved. Plus I wanted the professional critique of my writing. So hopefully KD's critique will help me. I feel my current entry is a much better story and worthy of a finalist.

I will tell you another secret, I don't read much sf or fantasy. Mostly classic literature. Though I do try and read all the WOTF books. I have quite a collection. So if my story is different it may just be because I don't read a lot of sf and fantasy, nothing to copy from. I write what comes into my head. I start with a character in a different-than-this-world setting. I provide him with something that he wants, i.e. Roalynd wants to find his sister, then of course try to keep him from getting it. I thought that making Roalynd and Guinevyre broken down robot kids that have survivied without parts or parents would make the reader feel for them. Roalynd's love for his sister, his willingness to engage any peril to find her. Of course that wasn't in the first 450 words of the story.

It's basic stuff, and it's taken me eight years to reach this level. I've been entering the contest for six years. I've received seven HMs and this is my first semi.

I think the most important thing that you have to have is characters the reader will care about involved in a situation controlled by a series of linked events (plot obviously).

Once again, basic stuff.

Also, I believe the first paragraph (for the contest anyway) is very important. Other-than-this-world setting + Characters + Plus Conflict. Get some dialogue in there as soon as possible. Something I didn't do with this story that I should have. Dialogue is immediate action/scene. Something the reader can visualize.

Well let me stop here. I could talk tons of writing but am probably just telling you stuff you already know.

If you need any help or have any questions or whatever, I'm here.

I ain't cut out to be no Jesse James.

 
Posted : December 4, 2011 7:27 am
 MJNL
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I check that more than I check my personal email. I'm not much a computer guy so I don't spend a lot of time on the internet.

Which is probably why you posted your e-mail address on a public forum. Beware, bots can get you that way! You might want to edit out your e-mail and just ask for a PM (in which you could safely stick your e-mail).

I'm all for spam-free inboxes. wotf008

ETA: looks like you cut it before I could get my warning in--good call!

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Posted : December 4, 2011 7:37 am
Corbin.Maxwell
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I check that more than I check my personal email. I'm not much a computer guy so I don't spend a lot of time on the internet.

Which is probably why you posted your e-mail address on a public forum. Beware, bots can get you that way! You might want to edit out your e-mail and just ask for a PM (in which you could safely stick your e-mail).

I'm all for spam-free inboxes. wotf008

ETA: looks like you cut it before I could get my warning in--good call!

Yeah, I took it off. Thought better of it.

My desire to help almost got me a truck load of BS email.

I ain't cut out to be no Jesse James.

 
Posted : December 4, 2011 7:40 am
Kary English
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Corbin, if you don't mind, how long was this piece?

Thanks,

Kary

WOTF: 1 HM, 1 Semi, 2 Finalists, 1 Winner
Q2,V31 - Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!
Hugo and Astounding finalist, made the preliminary Stoker ballot (juried)
Published by Galaxy's Edge, DSF, StarShipSofa and TorNightfire

 
Posted : December 4, 2011 7:53 am
Corbin.Maxwell
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Corbin, if you don't mind, how long was this piece?

Thanks,

Kary

I think around 15,000 or so.

I ain't cut out to be no Jesse James.

 
Posted : December 4, 2011 7:55 am
Kary English
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Corbin, if you don't mind, how long was this piece?

Thanks,

Kary

I think around 15,000 or so.

Thank you Smile

WOTF: 1 HM, 1 Semi, 2 Finalists, 1 Winner
Q2,V31 - Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!
Hugo and Astounding finalist, made the preliminary Stoker ballot (juried)
Published by Galaxy's Edge, DSF, StarShipSofa and TorNightfire

 
Posted : December 5, 2011 6:18 am
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Corbin, Thank you for posting! That was an amazing beginning to a story.

Tina
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Posted : December 5, 2011 1:13 pm
Corbin.Maxwell
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Corbin, Thank you for posting! That was an amazing beginning to a story.

Thank you very much.

I ain't cut out to be no Jesse James.

 
Posted : December 6, 2011 4:45 am
Kary English
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Hi, Corbin,

How much of the story is that? I ask because you might want to take it down. Some markets might consider it "published", and these forums are searchable on Google. I don't think 450 words will get anone in trouble, but I'd hate to see you lose your First Rights with that longer bit.

You could PM it to people if they asked, of course.

Cheers,

Kary

WOTF: 1 HM, 1 Semi, 2 Finalists, 1 Winner
Q2,V31 - Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!
Hugo and Astounding finalist, made the preliminary Stoker ballot (juried)
Published by Galaxy's Edge, DSF, StarShipSofa and TorNightfire

 
Posted : December 6, 2011 4:48 am
Corbin.Maxwell
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Hi, Corbin,

How much of the story is that? I ask because you might want to take it down. Some markets might consider it "published", and these forums are searchable on Google. I don't think 450 words will get anone in trouble, but I'd hate to see you lose your First Rights with that longer bit.

You could PM it to people if they asked, of course.

Cheers,

Kary

It's only the first 1,700 words out of 13,000.

Do you think I should still take it down?

I ain't cut out to be no Jesse James.

 
Posted : December 6, 2011 4:54 am
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If you are still trying to sell it to markets, yes.

I don't know what the limit is, but on the Orson Scott Card writing forums, they say it's the first 13 typed lines of the MS. (13 lines given the title and white space is the top of the page, the 13 lines the bottom, thus, only your first page.)

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Posted : December 6, 2011 4:57 am
Corbin.Maxwell
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If you are still trying to sell it to markets, yes.

I don't know what the limit is, but on the Orson Scott Card writing forums, they say it's the first 13 typed lines of the MS. (13 lines given the title and white space is the top of the page, the 13 lines the bottom, thus, only your first page.)

Just to be safe, I took it down.

I ain't cut out to be no Jesse James.

 
Posted : December 6, 2011 5:00 am
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