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Free Zoom talk TONIGHT at 7:45 p.m. Eastern time with Tim Powers and me about the Writers of the Future contest, and what we and our fellow judges are looking for:

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Posted : March 5, 2023 8:30 am
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My notes

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5 R, 4 RWC, 6 HM, 1 SHM
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Posted : March 7, 2023 4:41 pm
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Many thanks, @craydimensional!

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V40: Q1 3rd Place Winner ("Squiddy")
V39: SHM, HM, HM, HM
V38: HM, SHM, HM, HM
V37: R, R, HM, HM
V36: R

 
Posted : March 7, 2023 4:47 pm
K. Z. Richards
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@craydimensional Thank you for this! I was sad to miss it.

V39: - - - HM
V40: SHM, HM, SHM, HM
V41: HM, SHM, SHM, F
V42: P

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Posted : March 7, 2023 5:16 pm
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@craydimensional Thank you for sharing! Wish they had recorded it. I was working. 🙁

 
Posted : March 7, 2023 6:48 pm
Joel C. Scoberg
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@craydimensional Many thanks for this note! I did not see the post about the talk and missed it.

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Submission record: R x 2 / HM x 7 / SHM x 2 / W x 1
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Posted : March 8, 2023 3:42 am
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This was a great event.  Thank you WotF for hosting and Tim and Rob for taking the time.  clapper  

My big takeaways:

  • Wield your words well. Better to have a shorter well written story, than a longer meandering tale.
  • Believable dialogue. If someone would never, ever say that in real life, then don’t write it in dialogue.  
  • Read your story out loud. 
  • Wit is good, but not necessarily humor.
  • Limited 3rd person POV best fits most stories. The viewpoint is like a camera with the only sensory input being that of the character.
  • Read. Read a lot. When you've had enough, keep reading.

Note: I am so confused with POVs; third-person limited, third-person close, third-person omniscient, first-person, and second-person. Does anyone have a good short story example of second-person POV they can suggest?

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right."~ Henry Ford

2025 V42: Submitted, WIP, ?, ?
2024 V41: RWC (Resubmitted "HM"), HM, RWC, Finalist (RWC Resubmit)
2023 V40: HM, HM, R, HM
2022 V39: SHM, HM, Semi-finalist, HM (HM Resubmit)
2021 V38: ---HM (R Resubmit)
2020 V37: -R--

 
Posted : March 8, 2023 5:23 am
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I wasn’t paying attention to this thread…
Is there a recording?

 
Posted : March 8, 2023 8:28 am
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Posted by: @toddjones

 Does anyone have a good short story example of second-person POV they can suggest?

There's one in a recent WOTF. I think V38. Will try to find it for you when I'm home next week. Essentially, it uses "you ..." instead of "he ..."

 

VOL 40 2nd Quarter: Third Place ("Ashes to Ashes, Blood to Carbonfiber")
Past submissions: R - HM - HM - HM - HM - HM - SHM - SHM
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Posted : March 8, 2023 8:29 pm
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@ease @toddjones "Death of a Time Traveller" in v37 is second person.

 
Posted : March 8, 2023 9:15 pm
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Posted by: @petelead

@ease @toddjones "Death of a Time Traveller" in v37 is second person.

Thank you.  I have that volume and just marked the story to read.

 

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right."~ Henry Ford

2025 V42: Submitted, WIP, ?, ?
2024 V41: RWC (Resubmitted "HM"), HM, RWC, Finalist (RWC Resubmit)
2023 V40: HM, HM, R, HM
2022 V39: SHM, HM, Semi-finalist, HM (HM Resubmit)
2021 V38: ---HM (R Resubmit)
2020 V37: -R--

 
Posted : March 9, 2023 5:23 am
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@craydimensional 

Thanks a lot for the notes. I'm from the UK so although I wanted to attend I knew I'd already be asleep when the event started (about 12.45am for me). 

Writers of the Future stats:
V32: Q3 - R
V33: Q3 - R
V39: Q4 - RWC
V40: RWC, R, HM, HM
V41: R, HM, RWC, HM
V42: Q1 - sub'd, Q2 - WIP

All markets submission stats:
222 Submissions
210 Rejections
28 Personal Rejections
0 Acceptances

 
Posted : March 13, 2023 12:44 am
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I hadn't realized that Writers of the Future didn't record this panel discussion. I myself did record the audio as Tim, Joni, and I made the presentation. If someone's got the bandwidth to host the file online, I'll happily send the .mp3 along (it's about 80 megabytes). I don't see a way to attach it to this message.

 
Posted : January 17, 2024 1:28 pm
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Posted by: @robert-j-sawyer

I hadn't realized that Writers of the Future didn't record this panel discussion. I myself did record the audio as Tim, Joni, and I made the presentation. If someone's got the bandwidth to host the file online, I'll happily send the .mp3 along (it's about 80 megabytes). I don't see a way to attach it to this message.

Hello! Sure go ahead and send me the file ([email protected]) and I will see how I can add it here! I can also check with John if they have a video version of this as well. 

 

 
Posted : January 17, 2024 2:32 pm
Jason Toth
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@robert-j-sawyer was so kind as to send over the file so for anyone who missed it you can now listen to it here:

GLAWS Writers of the Future discussion with Robert J. Sawyer and Tim Powers

 
Posted : January 17, 2024 3:46 pm
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I will listen during work!

I'm reading Flashforward now. (Sorry I'm a year late on that.) 😀

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Posted : January 18, 2024 2:23 am
Sherri Morris
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@robert-j-sawyer thank you for recording and sharing this.  I needed it!

 

 
Posted : January 18, 2024 8:13 am
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Thanks for the connection, Jason. Any insight judges provide is well worth listening to.

Robert J Sawyer, Tim Powers and Joni. Very entertaining. 

At the end I went to the more options button and listened at 1.5 speed. That gave me a laugh. laughing  

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Posted : January 19, 2024 5:01 am
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Posted by: @robert-j-sawyer

I hadn't realized that Writers of the Future didn't record this panel discussion. I myself did record the audio as Tim, Joni, and I made the presentation. If someone's got the bandwidth to host the file online, I'll happily send the .mp3 along (it's about 80 megabytes). I don't see a way to attach it to this message.

Very kind of you, Rob. Thank you for helping the WotF forumites with this!

 

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Posted : January 29, 2024 8:37 pm
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@craydimensional Thank you for sharing your notes!

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V40 - Q1 RWC, Q2 HM,

 
Posted : February 18, 2024 2:48 pm
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