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Hi all, I'm in a bit of a weird situation.

After having no success finding anyone that wants to publish my short stories (despite getting an Honorable mention here), I published 5 short stories on Royal Road. Those didn't get any traction whatsoever, probably because RR is not for hard sci-fi and definitely not for short stories.

However, a few months later I began a long novel that I had planned to write as part of their Writathon event (write 55k words in 5 weeks). It got listed a few times early on and slowly but surely started to gain readers and followers. It suddenly exploded in the week before Christmas.

The story ended up being on the Rising Stars list (and #3 on the Sci-Fi list) which got a lot of eyes on it, and then ended up #1 trending, which made it rise even further. It is now sitting there at almost 200k views, lots of 4.5 - 5 star reviews, and hundreds of followers and lots of comments/engagement, with 28 of the planned 42 chapters published.

Link to the fiction in case anyone wants to have a look or read it: https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/97647/amongst-the-stars-of-cygnus-hard-sci-fi-survival

People have been saying to take it down and self-publish it on Amazon, post everything on RR and go to Moonquill (Royal Road's inhouse publisher - but they may not do classic old-fashioned sci-fi as RR is not for that) or go look for a literary agent to try get it traditionally published pretty much in the same way as The Martian was first published online to build interest/audience before being traditionally published and then made into a movie.

So far no scouts have reached out to me (which typically does happen to authors of successful stories on RR) but that could be because of the holidays or because the ones that are out there are after genres typical for Royal Road (LitRPG/Progression/Xianxia/Cultivation).

I'm now wondering what to do with it and if anyone has had experiences like this or has ties with a literary agent or publisher and can give me some advice.

 
Posted : January 5, 2025 3:14 am
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If you want to go the trad route with it you probably need to try an agent that 'thinks different'. The obvious one to at least touch base with first is Stevie Finnegan at Zeno Agency in the UK. She is the agent for Travis Baldree but is still relatively junior ( https://zenoagency.com/agents/stevie-finegan/ ) I spoke with her at Boskone last year about how that relationship came about and apparently she is on all the socials and did reach out to him seeing how well Legends and Lattes was doing. She seemed nice enough (but theres a limit to what you can tell from a 10 minute conversation) and that agency usually partners with Jabberwocky agency for US deals which obviously is one of the top agencies here (thats Joshua Bilmes Agency, who represents Brandon Sanderson, as well as other well known autors like Charlaine Harris, and Elizabeth Moon and then newer authors like JT Greathouse Clay Harmon, etc)

 

I don't know that that is the *right* way to do this, as my, and I suspect everyone here, have probably zero expereince with this. Hopefully someone who has self published can comment.

The other thing you could do is talk to people involved with small presses as they are usually very accessible (I have talked to various at places like Wolrdcon, boksone, readrcon and I'm sure wherever your local con is may have some - at least they would probably say so on the cons webpage). Or you could try just direct reaching out. I think Apex now has a book imprint and a few of their editors are members here but not sure how often they come on.

 

Anyway, don't take any of the above as 'advice' - I don't know what you should do or what is the best approach, but just free wrote on what I might think about doing based on my limited knowledge - Good luck, let us know how things go Smile

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Posted : January 5, 2025 6:54 am
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ps one thing I forgot to say was I *imagine* for the trad route to work, you're probably going to have to have the entire novel finished 

"...your motivations for wanting to write are probably complex. You may have a few great passions, you may want to be rich and famous, and you may need therapy."
- Dave Farland, Million Dollar Outlines

Writers of the Future:
2025 Q1: P Q2: WIP Q3: TBD Q4: TBD
2024 Q1: F Q2: HM Q3:SHM Q4: SHM
2023 Q1: RWC Q2: SHM Q3: SHM Q4: R
2022 Q4: R
Submissions to other markets:
2025: 15 submitted 0 acceptances
2024: 45 submitted 8 acceptances
2023: 74 submitted 13 acceptances
2022: 22 submitted 1 acceptance

2025 goals: a. New Novel b. New piece submitted/month c. 100 rejections

http://www.gideonpsmith.com

 
Posted : January 5, 2025 6:58 am
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First off, congratulations! Having a novel light up like that on any platform is outstanding and a great opportunity. After writing a compelling story, the really hard part is getting a loyal following. Whether you go trad or indie, you need to build your author platform and a good "followers" email list. That's the key to future sales ... even trad publishers are far more likely to sign you if you have a sales base (dirty secret - they suck at marketing, and the heavy lifting is likely going to fall on you anyway, so if you have loyal fans who are willing to actually pay for your work, you don't need the publisher and will make more money without them).

Just putting your book on Amazon or waiting a year or more for a trad publisher to get your book out there isn't going to leverage this momentum. You're going to need to do the hard work of marketing. There are a lot of resources out there to help you, but also a lot that just want to take your money. A few of the "good guys" I'd recommend are Dave Chesson at kindlepreneur.com and David Gaughran at DavidGaughran.com. 

Short stories make great "reader magnets" once you set up a simple author site, which you'll need in order to capitalize on this. I don't know anything about Royal Road - does it give you any way to share a link to your social media and website? If so, get on it! 

The only problem I'm aware of with the freebie sites is that many of those readers aren't willing to pay, even to get books of higher quality and great value, so there's no guarantee that they will convert to paying customers (I assume that's what you're after). But if even 5% of those who are avid "free" fans find your work that compelling, you'd have a huge leg-up on building a loyal following for your work.

So keep writing, and try to find a way to capture those readers and make them perma-fans! Put in the work, and best of luck!

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Posted : January 5, 2025 9:50 am
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Thank you so much, I'll definitely reach out to her, she seems like a great fit!

Of course I need to finish the first book first (and ideally do an edit pass before sending out the manuscript), but I rather be ready and already have some contacts with literary agents / publishers than lose weeks waiting for them to get back to me and possibly ending up with the worst choice because others didn't yet have time to look and respond.

 
Posted : January 5, 2025 11:34 pm
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Posted by: @dommichaels

First off, congratulations! Having a novel light up like that on any platform is outstanding and a great opportunity. After writing a compelling story, the really hard part is getting a loyal following. Whether you go trad or indie, you need to build your author platform and a good "followers" email list. That's the key to future sales ... even trad publishers are far more likely to sign you if you have a sales base (dirty secret - they suck at marketing, and the heavy lifting is likely going to fall on you anyway, so if you have loyal fans who are willing to actually pay for your work, you don't need the publisher and will make more money without them).

Just putting your book on Amazon or waiting a year or more for a trad publisher to get your book out there isn't going to leverage this momentum. You're going to need to do the hard work of marketing. There are a lot of resources out there to help you, but also a lot that just want to take your money. A few of the "good guys" I'd recommend are Dave Chesson at kindlepreneur.com and David Gaughran at DavidGaughran.com. 

Short stories make great "reader magnets" once you set up a simple author site, which you'll need in order to capitalize on this. I don't know anything about Royal Road - does it give you any way to share a link to your social media and website? If so, get on it! 

The only problem I'm aware of with the freebie sites is that many of those readers aren't willing to pay, even to get books of higher quality and great value, so there's no guarantee that they will convert to paying customers (I assume that's what you're after). But if even 5% of those who are avid "free" fans find your work that compelling, you'd have a huge leg-up on building a loyal following for your work.

So keep writing, and try to find a way to capture those readers and make them perma-fans! Put in the work, and best of luck!

That sounds disheartening, and very similar to game publishing, where publishers won't touch applying games till it's practically already finished (so the applicant no longer needs the publisher's millions of dollars for development) and already has a Discord channel full of users/steam wishlists/mailing list/X amount of people playing the demo (so it doesn't need the publisher's marketing either). What the game publishers are good for, I don't know, because they only show interest after you no longer need them for anything and they can just swoop in to take a cut of the profits at zero investment, zero effort, and zero risk.

I can set up a website and publish it there too and build a mailing list/discord channel, I already have a few discord channels with a couple hundred users that I can start out with. Will have a look at the people you recommended.

I just really wished the publishers or agents would take the PR/Marketing off my hands so I can focus on the writing, as I already have a very demanding full time job and don't really have the time and energy for a third gig.

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Posted : January 5, 2025 11:43 pm
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I'm just wondering how the site you posted this on works. I was able to follow your link and start reading your work without logging in to anything, meaning it is publicly available. For most agents and publishers that would count as being published, first rights all used up. I would imagine that your only option will be to self-publish it.

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Posted : January 6, 2025 5:18 am
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Posted by: @pdblake

I'm just wondering how the site you posted this on works. I was able to follow your link and start reading your work without logging in to anything, meaning it is publicly available. For most agents and publishers that would count as being published, first rights all used up. I would imagine that your only option will be to self-publish it.

I'm sorry, but that's not what happened to The Martian (published publicly on a blog), 50 Shades of Gray (first posted publicly as serialized Twilight fanfiction), Warbreaker (first published on Wattpad) and Moonquill has published dozens of books and made comics from content that was first published on Royal Road.

You'd think a publisher cares about making money and having a story stands out from the crowd on a highly competitive platform like Royal Road (where thousands of stories are published each month) it proves there is a demand/market/audience and the story has had the opportunity to collect some degree of feedback and revisions, so there's less risk and more profit for them if they pick it up.

 

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Posted : January 6, 2025 8:19 am
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Posted by: @cube

Posted by: @pdblake

I'm just wondering how the site you posted this on works. I was able to follow your link and start reading your work without logging in to anything, meaning it is publicly available. For most agents and publishers that would count as being published, first rights all used up. I would imagine that your only option will be to self-publish it.

I'm sorry, but that's not what happened to The Martian (published publicly on a blog), 50 Shades of Gray (first posted publicly as serialized Twilight fanfiction), Warbreaker (first published on Wattpad) and Moonquill has published dozens of books and made comics from content that was first published on Royal Road.

You'd think a publisher cares about making money and having a story stands out from the crowd on a highly competitive platform like Royal Road (where thousands of stories are published each month) it proves there is a demand/market/audience and the story has had the opportunity to collect some degree of feedback and revisions, so there's less risk and more profit for them if they pick it up.

 

 

In that case good luck. I hope you have the same success. 

 

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Posted : January 6, 2025 10:03 am
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